1 ISP TO 2 DIFFERENT ROUTER POSSIBLE CONNECTION

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7 months 2 weeks ago - 7 months 2 weeks ago #1336867 by asashi
Mag tatanong lang po sana ako regarding this IDEA wala po kasi akong makita about sa ganitong topic, sana matulungan niyo po ako sa experiment ko if possible po ba ito, i want to learn more about routing a system

Eto po yung sample diagram na gusto ko sanang manyari if possible ba, to run smooth in a small network system:

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pasensya na po sa diagram ni layout ko lang po sa paint,

1. First question po, assuming my ISP MODEM is having 100 mbps per lan connection and having same gateway na 192.168.1.1 and from the diagram above connecting to two(2) different router with same segment IP na 192.168.1.2 and 192.168.1.3 connecting to both router WAN, the question is dapat ba yung router 1 and router 2 next to isp modem will be set to bridge mode or route mode din? and why?

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ISP MODEM are not in BRIDGE MODE but specifically naka route mode po assuming na they give equal bandwidth na 100mbps per lan connection


2. 2nd question po, kung mapapansin po sa diagram router 1 and router 2 are connecting in a two(2) different switches means the 100mbps will supply per switches with 24 ports so bahala na si switch na idevide ang dalawang 100mbps na bandwidth sa mga pc na nakaconecta sa bawat switches the question is ok lang ba na in same segment ip ang lahat na icconect in both different switches?

3. 3rd question po, looking from the diagram, eto po yung critical part kung yung ISP modem ay nagsupply ng tig 100mbps per lan sa 2 router then si router 1 and router 2 ay ibinigay ang tig 100mbps per switches, wala bang magiging conflict kung ililink ko ang two different switches para magkita lahat?

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The main purpose is I have ONE(1) DISKESS SERVER na need supplyan ng data, assuming na 40 clients and 20 clients per switch ang plan na dapat magkikita kita in a whole network system also in a different PC SERVER na ang ihahandle naman ay ang timer na dapat makita rin ang lahat ng PC connected into ONE(1) whole network system.


Sa mga nabasa ko po dito sa ulop in most cases 2 different ISP MODEM na pagsasamahin and linked to one router then supply to many switches and clients, In my case baligtad naman according to diagram, 1 ISP that supply different bandwitdh per lan connection naman na pagsasamahin into single network system using addons na TWO(2) routers lang....

Sana po matulungan niyo po ako sa idea na to,

Kung mali po yung topic na to na gumawa po ng bago, pakisama na lang po sa tamang thread, hindi ko po kasi alam kung saan ko po ilalagay , thanks in advance po and God bless us all....

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7 months 2 weeks ago #1336868 by athenaxd
what are you trying to achieve with this kind of setup?
sa panahon ngayon if you want to control the bandwidth for the entire network then invest in a router with traffic shaping capabilities.
you can eliminate router 2 since yung switch 1 and 2 is already connected (cascade)

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7 months 2 weeks ago #1336872 by ice4salejr
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uu doable yan diagram mo same ng sa akin yan 4 na isp (modem/router) pa sa isang network

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7 months 2 weeks ago #1336873 by asashi
@ athenaxd
From the first question, i said assuming lang po na if meron akong ISP MODEM which supplies 100mbps of connection per lan port, kung ilalagay ko to sa switch etong isang lan port connection automatically switch will devide the 100mbps connection into all pc conected to switch without using router tama? , kaso sa case na gusto ko maachieve assuming na may ISP modem ako na may supply 100mbps per lan port, the case is ayokong masayang ang another 100mbps supply by another lan port, regarding sa bandwidth disregard po natin eto hindi po bandwidth limit ang purpose ko dito, I just want to use both 100mbps supplies in every LAN port of my ISP modem technically parang imposible na may supply per port na tig 100mbps in just 1 ISP MODEM but assuming it exist now a days, so the main point is to use all the supply bandwidth in a single network system...eto po yung gusto ko macchieve mahirap po kasi iexplain pero yan po talaga ang case....

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7 months 2 weeks ago #1336874 by LOTR
gamit ka kerio. ung LAN 1 at LAN 2 ng modem mo saksak mo sa dual port, setup kerio either separate browsing and gaming or combine the speed.

looks like may hack ka sa modem to double your connection, dati existing yan sa mga pldt modem pero na repair na nila. meron pa din siguro pa ilan ilan gumagana

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7 months 2 weeks ago - 7 months 2 weeks ago #1336875 by homer_simpson
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Ayun kay @athenaxd, ano ang gusto mo mangyari?

Duda ko ang gusto mo ay segration ng machines. You can achieve that but not in the way you illustrated. It won't work. Kung gusto mo ng 2 separate networks a la VLAN, pwede pero you just need single router with multiple LAN interfaces, tapos dun mo i-designate bawat network. then young router/gateway mo connects to the ISP modem (ideally in bridge mode to prevent the double NAT issue, which can be a performance killer).

ISP MODEM -> ROUTER/GATEWAY --> LAN_01 (192.168.0.0/24)
........................................... \----> LAN_02 (192.168.1.0/24)
............................... ........... \----> LAN_03 (192.168.2.0/24)

Pero kelangan mo ng specialized OS like pfSense, Linux etc. Technically-speaking pwede din ang Windows pero I won't do that.

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7 months 2 weeks ago #1336880 by asashi
@LOTR

Hi Sir, to be honest I don't have an idea about that KERIO but Ive heard them before, sorry sir, can i grab this opportunity for a lazy question about this? is this a software like PFSENSE or any limiter software that would control the bandwith or either to combine any bandwidth in the network? or this is a router po like dlink, linksys, tplink,cisco, mikrotik or QNO router with load balancing?

if this a router what you mean is gamit ako nito and set my load balancing router into 2 WAN port connecting my LAN1 and LAN2 of my ISP MODEM tama po ba? if that the case hindi ba magcoconflict the assuming two different 100mbps bandwidth per Lan port na may parehas na gateway sample 192.168.1.1 from a single ISP modem? pa clarify naman po Sir LOTR, baka naencounter niyo na po na same gateway combine into one load balancing router na walang conflict, so from my diagram, yung na mention ni Sir athenaxd maeeliminate yung isang router, but the question is ? is it possible to use same gateway IP to combine in a router without conflict to the entire network....

pasensya na po sa malawakang tanong ko gusto ko lang po palawakin pa ang idea ko, before buying or experimenting in this network system... sana po matulungan niyo akong palawakin pa ang knowledge ko regarding this case, thanks and God Bless po ulit

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7 months 2 weeks ago #1336881 by asashi
@ homer_simpson

Not necessarily segration ng machine, but to reassure na walang magiging conflict if i use the 2 100mbps with the same gateway combining into 1 whole network system kasi baka po may mga gumawa na ng ganito o nakaencounter atleast medyo ma leless yung error in my experiment though sa mga helps niyo and idea ,
regarding the idea in bridge mode to prevent the double NAT issue, as you said which can be a performance killer necesarry po ba to set it into bridge mode? but why not in route mode? assuming in this case what Ive mention above, naka route mode po yung ISP MODEM, so the choices is gawan ng paraan yung dalawang LAN port providing the same 100 mbps bandwidth per port without bridge moding the modem...
so from the point question, ok lang ba na same gateway into load balancing router hindi ba logically conflict yung ganito pasensya na po more knowledge pa po

thanks po, and God Bless Us all

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7 months 2 weeks ago #1336890 by athenaxd
let's say you have 200 mbps tapos router mo is both 100 mbps only
am I right?
then gusto mo ngayon hatiin into two groups yung network mo with router 1 and router 2
pero hindi mangyari yun kung direct ka sa modem ni pldt because all other ports is disabled and your only option is to add another switch behind the modem
unproductive na yung dating niyan and redundant
when it comes to troubleshooting mahihirapan ka lang diyan.

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7 months 2 weeks ago #1336894 by asashi
@athenaxd

1. let's say you have 200 mbps tapos router mo is both 100 mbps only
am I right?
answer: no po sir i dont have a 200mbps Internet connection as i said from the previous post assuming I have 100mbps in Lan port 1 of my ISP modem and on the same ISP modem again 100mbps of Lan port 2 and hindi ko po purpose ang hatiin the main purpose is pagsamahin but having same gateway, note po single ISP lang po ang pinaguusapan hindi po dalawang ISP in that case the concern is the IP conflict which has the same gateway, the question is ok lang ba na same gateway ay pagsamahin sa buong entire network?


2. then gusto mo ngayon hatiin into two groups yung network mo with router 1 and router 2
No again Sir as I said hindi ko po gustong hatiin assuming hati na po talaga siya as I've mention 100mbps in Lan1 and again 100mbps in lan2....

3. pero hindi mangyari yun kung direct ka sa modem ni pldt because all other ports is disabled
Again Assuming accidentally the other port was enable what ever ISP modem it is, so back to the point pwede po ba ang magkaparehas na gateway ay magkasama sa isang router na walang conflict?

4. and your only option is to add another switch behind the modem
Yes I have add switch in one of the Lan port that provides 100mbps Internet connection only so, the problem still occured the other 100mbps is not in used ibig pong sabhin may 100mbps pa na nasasayang, kaya po nag create ako ng diagram if is it that possible ba na pagsamahin both bandwith ng sabay with the same gateway na hindi magcoconflict sa IP? and yun po yung gusto kong malaman pa na knowledge...

5. unproductive na yung dating niyan and redundant
when it comes to troubleshooting mahihirapan ka lang diyan.
answer. Im not after this po sir, gusto ko lang po magather ng idea if there is someone here who encounter according to my case and i know there are others who are the same what i want to brought in this kind of cases, kaya po lumabas yung ganyang diagram sa first post.....

i hope mas malinaw na po yung tanong ko

anyway thanks po ulit still waiting for some knowledge who've encounter like mine..thank you again and God Bless po

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