TOPIC: NTC allows capping of broadband data

Re:NTC allows capping of broadband data 10 Jan 2011 13:44 #313123

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atendee: bago mo ako tanongin nyan eh diba kahit kayong mga nasa "hearing members" eh laman ng ipod at pc nyo e download lang sa net ^_- hmmmm, imposibleng wala kang pc, kaya ikaw ang nakaupo dito dahil may alam ka rin.... nyahahaha uuuyyyyyyy hahaha witwew

bisyo nato! bang!

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Re:NTC allows capping of broadband data 10 Jan 2011 14:00 #313126

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^lol

Lam nyo need talaga natin ng mataas o malaking konsumo ng bandwidth kasi yung mga software/games ngayon mapa online or offline is malaki, Patching na matagal, Updates na matagal matapos.

Kung upgrade ng upgrade sila sa pagka corrupt ng gobyerno kada taon aalis na talaga kami dito sa pinas. Hays totoo ngang Earth is as Hot as Hell..

Post ko mamaya ang Download and Upload ko kada araw.

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Re:NTC allows capping of broadband data 10 Jan 2011 14:28 #313129

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homebiz.com wrote:

SUBJECT: MINIMUM SPEED OF BROADBAND CONNECTIONS

WHEREAS, it has been observed that few subscribers/users connect to the internet for unreasonably long period of time depriving other users from connecting to the internet;


Kapag unlimited ang subscription ng subscriber e dapat kahit longer period of time accessing the Internet ay allowed.



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WHEREAS, mobile broadband/internet access suffer from signal fading more than fixed and fixed wireless broadband/ internet access;


Expected na ito, kasi meron tinatawag na 'interference' sa signal kapag naka mobile Internet access ka.


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NOW, THEREFORE, pursuant to RA7925, Executive Order (EO) No. 546 series of 1979, and in order to maintain and foster fair competition in the telecommunications industry, and promote and protect the rights of broadband service customers/subscribers/users, the National Telecommunications Commission (the Commission/NTC, for brevity) hereby promulgates the following rules:


Mukhang hindi parin nai-po-provide ng NTC ang protection and rights of the customers pagdating sa broadband connection, kasi sasabihin ng isang service provider sa marketing niya ang 'bandwidth'. Like for example 512 Kbps, pero in reality hindi naman pala ganun kabilis ang speed.


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The service offers shall specify the service rates for a minimum broadband/internet connection speed and the service reliability, e.g., PhP900.00/month for 512Kbps minimum connection speed and 80% service reliability, PhP1,000.00/month for 512Kbps minimum connection speed and 85% service reliability, etc.


Sa mobile Internet, masyadung mabagal talaga.

While sa broadband (dsl) 'fixed' na tinatawag e mukhang hindi naman commited information rate (CIR) ang 512 Kbps. Kaya kapag maraming users na hindi na ito mabilis.



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Service providers may offer broadband/internet connection on a “best efforts” basis.


Anu kaya itong tinatawag na 'best efforts'?


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3. The subscribers/consumers shall be properly informed of the broadband/internet connection service being offered to them.


Hindi properly informed ang end users (subscribers/consumers). Kasi tinanong mo ang marketing/sales person ng service provider (ISP) like Smart or Globe. Sasabihin nila ang speed is UP TO 512 Kbps. Pero in reality kapag nag bandwidth test ka e hindi mo ma re receive or ma a attain ang ganung speed. Kasi nga hindi ito CIR or committed information rate. Dapat i specify nila mismo sa mga brochures nilang pinamimigay ang CIR ng bawa't subscriptions.


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4. Service providers offering committed information rate (CIR) shall comply with NTC MC No. 12-19-2004.
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Hindi naman nagiging transparent palagay ko ang mga service providers sa atin, kasi nga wala silang CIR na naka specify for every subscription.


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5. Service providers may set the maximum volume of data allowed per subscriber/user per day.


Mukhang hindi ako sang-ayon dito. Lalo na kung unlimited service subscription ang na avail mong service.

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6. Failure on the part of a broadband service provider to comply with this Order, the Commission shall file appropriate administrative case against said broadband service provider.


Sa tingin ko marami ng ISP dapat ang naka suhan dahil sa hindi nila sinasabi ang totoong subscription (CIR) ng isang subscribed bandwith.

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Re:NTC allows capping of broadband data 10 Jan 2011 14:32 #313130

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pati rent natin magiging pero kb na
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500mb/1hr = 15 petot?

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Re:NTC allows capping of broadband data 10 Jan 2011 14:40 #313133

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rex.crisostomo wrote:

natatawa na lang ako sa bagong ruling na ito. sa no.1 sinasabi ang minimum 80% reliability, tapos sa no. 2 "best efforts" basis daw. What a contradiction!

Best effort delivery describes a network service in which the network does not provide any guarantees that data is delivered or that a user is given a guaranteed quality of service level or a certain priority. In a best effort network all users obtain best effort service, meaning that they obtain unspecified variable bit rate and delivery time, depending on the current traffic load [Wikipedia]


Salamat sa information na yan. Nasagot din ang tanung ko about 'best effort'.

I think kung each fixed subscription ay magkakaroon ng committed information rate (CIR), hindi na kailangan ang ganung terminology/service (best effort). Kapag sinabing 512 Kbps CIR, yun ang pipe or bandwitdh mo anytime of the day/week/month/year.

Yan naman ang kailangan kasi, para naman hindi magiging parang unfair sa mga consumers/subscribers ang pagbabayad nila ng monthly recurring charges.

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Re:NTC allows capping of broadband data 10 Jan 2011 14:49 #313137

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divadnosaj wrote:

rex.crisostomo wrote:

natatawa na lang ako sa bagong ruling na ito. sa no.1 sinasabi ang minimum 80% reliability, tapos sa no. 2 "best efforts" basis daw. What a contradiction!

Best effort delivery describes a network service in which the network does not provide any guarantees that data is delivered or that a user is given a guaranteed quality of service level or a certain priority. In a best effort network all users obtain best effort service, meaning that they obtain unspecified variable bit rate and delivery time, depending on the current traffic load [Wikipedia]


in short, walang assurance.. talo talaga mga subscriber dito.


From the subscribers side (customer premises) to the ISP server, dapat ang connection ay hindi yung tinatawag na 'burstable'. Dapat ito ay tunay na subscribed bandwitdh. Kung sinabing 1 Mbps, dapat sa iyo lang ang pipe na yan. Naka-configure lang para sa iyong subscription. That is kung ang subscription mo is fixed and unlimited broadband service.

Alam ko ang bigger rates (pang corporate subscription) lang ang nai-po-provide nilang ganung services ng mga service providers. Kung ang P999 lang e 'burstable' lang ang service na mai-o-offer nila. Say for example UP TO 512 Kbps. Kaya hindi ito realiable, kapag overloaded na ang link from the subscriber's end to the ISP link.

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Re:NTC allows capping of broadband data 10 Jan 2011 14:53 #313139

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xicowner wrote:

Sa tingin ko, ito ang probisyon ng cirular na posibleng magkaroon ng pinakamalaking epekto sa negosyo ng i-café.

5. Service providers may set the maximum volume of data allowed per subscriber/user per day.

Ang ibig sabihin ng probisyong ito ay hindi na unlimited ang bandwith usage ng mga broadband subscribers (kasama ang mga i-café). Pag sumobra ang magamit na bandwidth sa maximum volume of data (normally the download) na ilalagay sa bawat klase ng subscription, magkakaroon ng dagdag na bayad ang kasalukuyang fixed monthly internet fee ng isang shop.


Palagay ko hindi nila dapat gawin ang ganitong service. I lilimit ang subscription mo. What if ang business mo ay required ang download ng download?

Siguro ok lang yan sa mga normal or hindi power users sa paggamit sa Internet.

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Re:NTC allows capping of broadband data 10 Jan 2011 15:04 #313142

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bjfahrenheit wrote:

Dahil dito wala ng force na magmomotivate sa telecoms na mag-improve ng equipment at infrastructure. Kung ano na lang pede na kasi hati hati na kung anong meron sa existing capacity.


Yan ang problem kahit na nag-i-improve ang technology. Meron ng WiMAX ang Globe at Smart, pero bakit hindi parin mai-provide ang better service (mas-mabilis na Internet)?

Pinapangarap ko talaga ay yung pag-download ay mas-mabilis kahit sa mga SOHO (Small Office/Home Office) or home users/individuals. Since 1996, hindi pa ganung nag-improve ang Internet services sa ating bansa. Kasi usually ang rates na mura, ay 'burstable' parin. Hindi ang tunay na speed 'true speed' (CIR)ang pino-provide nila.

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Re:NTC allows capping of broadband data 10 Jan 2011 15:12 #313144

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Katropa wrote:

opinyon ko lang. sa kasalukuyang merkado ngayon magdadalawang-isip ang companya na maglagay ng limitasyon sa bandwidth dahil may kakompetensya pwera na lang kung monopolyo ng isang kompanya ang isang produkto makapagdemand sya ng gusto nya.



maganda yung opinyon mo sir, sana mag compete talaga sila para may pagpipilian ang mga mamamayan, ang problema pano kung nag business meeting ang mga may ari ng ISP??? parang katulad din ng mga may ari ng gas di po ba maraming players ngayon ang kaso sumasabay pa rin sila sa presyo ng big 3 kaya imbes na competitive ang pricing no choice na ang pinoy dahil halos pare pareho lang ang mga presyo nila...God Bless Philippines...


Hindi nagiging 'service oriented' ang businessmen. Iniisip lang nila ang paano sila kikita. Kahit na sa sacrifice ang quality of service nila as Internet providers.

Hopefully kung naman kumikita narin sila, huwag naman nilang i sacrifice or pahirapan ang mga customers nila.

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Re:NTC allows capping of broadband data 10 Jan 2011 15:17 #313146

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ohjomz wrote:

5. Service providers may set the maximum volume of data allowed per subscriber/user per day.


sakit sa ulo nito.....................

parang wi-tribe ang ganda ng connection 1mb kaso pag na reach mo na threshold bandwidth babagal na to 256kbps toink. pag gusto mo 1mb pa rin extra charge ang at ang mahal.

bago bang tong balita na to?


Nabasa ko na dati ang wi-tribe nayan. Sabi pa niya sa sales talk niya sa isang article. Sila raw ang magiging pinaka mabilis na ISP. Pero meron naman palang limit ang pag download nila. Para sa akin, hindi parin yan ang service provider na pina pangarap kong matagal na. Yung mura, quality, reliable ang service para both sides (users at service provider) ang magiging happy lagi.
Kung baga win-win situation. Parehas na masaya. Kahit magbayad pa ng P999 ang consumer sa isang home, pero satisfied siya sa service offered.

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