TOPIC: Policy Statement I-Cafe Pilipinas

Unahan ko na, I’m just a single individual here in ulop wala akong kaalyadoo sa magkabilang panig

I just stand by my own principle at hindi nman basta naniniwala o nanahimik na lang kapag may mga ganitong issue
Kung mayroon man akong nais itanong ito ay para sa sariling anaylis ko lamang at walang impluwensya ng kahit na sinuman, sana naman po ay irespeto nyo ito at umaasa ng matapat na kasagutan.
Points to consider, bago ako mag decide sa aking stand sa issue

(Pls. be patient mahaba lang)

Statement made by Zafra sa Computer world
To achieve its goal of bringing the local Internet café industry to a higher level, an advocacy group called
I-Café Pilipinas (I-Café) is proposing the creation of a national law that will increase the entry barrier among Net café businesses in the Philippines.
Ed Zafra, chairman of I-Café

• Eto naman ang reply ni ED Zafra after the post:
I wish to thank the TS and TopspinCafe for posting this news article here at ULOP. Those who have questions, comments and reactions about the content of the news can please post them so that we can clarify what we mean.
IMO: so meaning, confirmed nya na tama yung posting
After na may mag react dun sa mga statements nya, eto nman ang sinabi nya
I want to say that I am the Ed Zafra quoted and referred to in the different news releases about I-Cafe Pilipinas initiatives. I want to clarify some items in the various articles as follows:

A) The interview I had was free-wheeling with four (4) press people from different agencies asking questions about the current state of the internet cafe industry in the country and the initiatives that I-Cafe Pilipinas would pursue to alleviate the status of I-Cafe businesses. This is the reason why the topics of the 3 or 4 news releases referred on this thread were different from each other. This could also be the reason why I may have been misquoted or misunderstood by the interviewers.
IMO: dito parang nag iba na story, denial na (see the inconsistency)

Eto naman reply ni Bien:
finally, an original write up. :-)

Thanks Computerworld Philippines! ^^

Actually, eto pa lang write up na nakapag explain ng mabuti what the org was about.
iCafe Pilipinas is an org that will represent our industry on a national level. what we find, we pass on to the ICAs. Then the ICAs pass on to the individual shop owners.

My position over the matter:

I Café Pilipinas – using the word Pilipinas in their advocacy group created a major impact and curiosity among I Café owners at isa na ako dun. That’s why I’m here.
Using I café Pilipinas as representative of the whole I Café in the Philippines is a different thing, as if member ka man nito or hindi magiging saklaw ka na nito.
The term national law and national level irate some ulop members, as if may gusto nang mag control sa kanilang business.

Maybe kung hindi I café Pilipinas ang ginamit at hindi ginamitan ng mga national law at national level hindi magiging ganoon ang impact.
Let say ginawang I Café Pilinas Advocacy Group or any term na hindi pangkalahatan ang dating
and instead na national law/level.
Maybe kung ang sinabi that will represent each members of the group who bound to meet its own standards.
Meaning kung sino lang ang member at iyong gusto pang maging member ang pwede nilang saklawan.

I’m not against the formation of the NATIONAL ORGANIZATION or even maging Party List man ito in the future. For I believed na ito rin ang magiging sandalan ng paninidigan ng bawat isa sa aitn. Kumbaga, iba na rin ung may malalapitan o maninindigan para sa iyo kung kinakailangan.

The way icafe was organized, mukhang mayroon problema, instead na magkoroon ng electoral procedure sa pagpili kung sino magiging officers parang ang nagyari ay selection or appointment process at masyado naman yatang nagmamadali sa mga gusto nilang mangyari.
Okay it’s not for 2010, definitely kasi hindi pa ito papasa sa mga requirements as party list, pero by the next congressional/party list election kung maisasaayos siguraso magiging qualified ito.
So mahaba pa naman ang preparations.

I am not insisting on what I want, I always say baka pwede lamang ninyong ma iconsider


Salamat po sa mga nagtyaga na magbasa.

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gener62166 wrote:

rsalvador wrote:

Cybertronix wrote:

Isa pa pong prangkang tanong RYAN, remember marami sa taga ULOP ang tunay (employed by big firms) na security experts, they can easily see inconsistencies and forensic trails.

Do you know personally or are you TAEKWONDO, GRID, RHL, etc ?

rsalvador wrote:

Yep i will, mananahimik po ako. BTW my name is RYAN SALVADOR, para di lang forum name ang alam nyo. you can google it, lalabas ang PRC license ko.

Sure po why not, ala akong tinatago, imbestigahan nyo. I am not Taekwondo, GRID, RHL or etc. It's just that marami akong natatanggap na PM from them. I think nagkakasundo kami ng mga nabanggit sa kung ano ang aming paniniwala. Nakakatawa nga actually, kasi halos pareho kami ng banat ni taekwondo pero kung papansinin mo ang timestamp halos instantenous ang reply naming dalawa.

Kung masasagot po yung mga tanong ko, i think hindi lang po ako ang marerelieve kundi pati na rin sila kasi gaya ng sabi ko halos pare pareho ang aming mga concerns.

Kung pwede po wag nyo po akong takutin, na kesyo ganito ganito, gawin nyo na lang po ang nararapat. Dahil ako din po gagawin ko ang nararapat kung sa tingin ko ay "tama" as long as it is bounded by the constitution.

excuse mo po but your slip is showing...sa mga accounts na sinabi mo si taekwondo lang ang active the rest is banned papaano ka nakakatangap ng pm mula sa kanila?

next kung gagawa ka ng tama di gumawa ka na lang kung ano ang sa tingin mo ay tama. sayang lang ang oras mo na sa maghapon kami na lang ang binabantayan mo.

ganito na lang antayin mo na lang ako diyan bukas before lunch sa pasay para magka usap tayo ng maayos kasi nakakahiya na sa mga tao at sa mods dito sa ulop na ginagawa nating itong parang sa atin itong forum na ito.

mas mabuti magkita na lang tayo bukas. papasyal ako diyan para matapos na ang lahat ng ito.

salamat last post ko na po ito tungkol dito

yep ang sabi nila nga daw ban sila, pero may iba po silang mga bagong gawang account(even taekwondo is ban too, im not sure kung totoo nga). that's how they communicate with me. Pasay? anong pasay? san kita aantayin sa pasay? di ko alam pumunta dun? alam ko lang MOA. Kung makati sige, malapit lang opis namin at apartment ko dyan.

Turuan ko po kayo kung pano nyo matetrace kung ako nga sila kasi nakakairita na yang mga accusation nyo at hindi na nakakatuwa kasi napakaunprofessional and unethical na, kung ang server po ng site na to is apache it's either tomcat or jboss, may gnagawang server.log yan, kung maayos ang setup makikita dyan kung ano ang mga IP address na nagaccess d2 sa site nyo. Try that to cross reference to my IP addresses na ginagamit as far as I know 2 nagagamit ko. Ang butas lang po nyan is kung gumagamit ako ng mga proxies, pero i guess hindi naman po ako ganun kadesperate to resort on that tactics.

Hmmmm, sir gener si tronix ka ba. May nagPM din sakin na alternick mo sya. Pero i dont care, kahit pa kahit ilang account as long as masagot ung concern ko "is it the official stand of I-cafe Pilipinas" tapos bye bye na po marami pa akong trabaho, mahirap po bang sagutin. Yep mahirap pag nambobola lang. But kung honest nga ang intention, di na dapat tumagal pa ng kung ilang post to. Dapat kahapon pa to nasettle. Ano bang problema nyong malaki at ayaw nyong sagutin.

Aalis ka na naman tsk tsk, bat ayaw mong sagutin dito para malaman ng lahat dahil hindi lang naman ako ang stakeholder d2.

Cybertronix wrote:

APPEAL TO THE MODS (MADJIK, PRIME, RAGE)

para maayos at civil ang usapan, paki regulate yung THREAD na to.

automatic ban sa mga may personal attack o bastos na salita. It's time to show that forumers are responsible for their own actions.

when you post here you waive your right and must abide by the REGULATED thread rule.

ano ka ba pre, nananakot ka nga na iimbestigahan ako eh, hindi ba mas malalang attack yan kesa magmura.

For the mean time, all topics pertaining to i-cafe Pilipinas will be locked or deleted. ULOP.net is not in any position to answer anything about i-cafe pilipinas nor ULOP.net is in anyway connected with i-cafe pilipinas, this is a community of lanshop owners, pls act like one not like squatters. PM me if you want to start a new thread about i-cafe ilipinas. Ill check the content first, if its a ok then you can start a new discussion but if its just for personal bashing then go find other forum.